Results[]
Wednesday, April 22, 2020
Ulti's Analysis[]
| Division | Division 3 |
|---|---|
| Match # | 101 |
| Match Date | Wednesday, April 22, 2020 |
| Oracle Expectations |
Smash Bros. Ultimate - 69.19% 51 for - 0 against |
| GameFAQs Prediction |
Smash Bros. Ultimate - 52.13% |
| User Votes |
Smash Bros. Ultimate - 6011 Spider-Man - 3248 |
| Anonymous Votes |
Smash Bros. Ultimate - 4627 Spider-Man - 3027 |
Having a day to relax and unwind after the insanity that Bloodborne and Resident Evil 2 gave us was nice. Division 3 is just what the doctor ordered. Smash was guaranteed to beat Spiderman, and Mario Odyssey was guaranteed to beat Shovel Knight. There would be no surprises here; all that mattered was the final percentages.
Depending on how you feel about Spiderman's strength, this was either par for the course or a Smash underperformance. We'll get to this more next round, but this was a mixture of Spiderman being stronger than everyone thought and a Smash underperformance. You don't undershoot your oracle consensus by 6% without something weird going on, and I'm of the belief that Smash has gotten to the point where it gets anti-voted.
Stingers stole my thunder a bit here, and that's okay, but I truly believe the hardcore Smash nuts are the single worst fanbase in all of entertainment and it's the cause for all these underperformances. I would legitimately and truly rather hang out with anyone else, and my biggest regret in my entire gaming life was ever sticking up for these people. I went back and reread some of my old stuff, and the Brawl fans were right. I should have seen it back then. It's not that Brawl is the better game, because it's just not, but Brawl represented the better fanbase. They're actually able to play a Smash game and have fun. Hardcore tourneydouche Smash idiots sucked the fun out of this series a long time ago. To put this in Board 8 terms, Nick is a cool guy that any of us would love to be around. He was on the Brawl side. That should be enough really.
Is Smash crazy strong on our site? Of course it is. But there is a growing subset of people who will hate that fanbase and that series for life, and will never vote for it. It's not all of the fanbase, but it's enough of them.
There are only so many stories like this people can see before they finally say fuck it and sour on these idiots:
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/08/bayonetta-players-battled-through-the-boos-at-evo-2018s-smash-4-finals/ (not mentioned is the two Bayonetta players being doxxed, harassed, and being sent death threats despite only being teenagers)
https://www.polygon.com/2019/4/22/18510985/smash-bros-hungrybox-crab-assault-pound-2019-video
There are only so many videos like this people can see before they finally bail on taking Smash seriously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT0xHN65ExA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH74j3zRm3A
There are only so many stinky weirdos with no social skills one can be around before they're done. Did you guys know that these losers tried to get cheering banned at tournaments? You know, like the nutjobs who think clapping should be banned? There was a big movement for it. Did you know these morons once tried claiming Brawl Meta Knight is more broken than Street Fighter 2 Akuma, because "the esteemed Smash community" says so? The word esteemed belongs no where near these people.
I could go on with countless examples and talk about this for weeks. Smash started as a fun party game. What it's turned into is anything but, and I have a vicious disgust for people who ruin things I enjoy. If every tourneycrab acted like Stingers, Zero, or Hungrybox it would be one thing. Most act like Inui, and if you play Smash in any way other than "OMG GOTTA PREP FOR TOURNAMENTS GUYZZZZ" they have actual manic fits.
I don't blame anyone for anti-voting Smash games in these contests. I don't blame anyone for hating its fanbase. I just wish I had seen it sooner. I still love the series to death, but I have to separate the games from the fanbase to enjoy Smash games anymore. You Brawl fans were right all along.
Ctes's Analysis[]
This match seemed to be the main reason why Super Mario Odyssey > Super Smash Bros. Ultimate became such a popular upset pick in second chance brackets despite almost everyone picking Ultimate without thinking twice about it beforehand. The reason is that people had such a hard time believing Marvel’s Spider-Man to have any strength, especially after it meant Minecraft would have to have strength itself.
Ultimate would go into the division finals as the favorite, by not nearly as big a favorite as it was before the contest began. The popular opinion was that Super Mario Odyssey looked better every single round. Most people knew it wouldn’t come down to that however and it’s probably why Ultimate still remained the favorite. That match would ultimately come down to preferences within the Nintendo fanbase.
In the end we also learned Marvel’s Spider-Man is legit! Just like the Batman games. I honestly don’t understand why that was so hard to accept. It was very successful and well-liked. It might not be the favorite games of a lot of people but that doesn’t mean it can’t be strong. It looked good enough in the Game of the Year polls, beating Dragon Quest XI and Red Dead Redemption 2 while losing to God of War. Sure, such a poll is not the best indicator, but a lot of the same people took God of War’s result that year at face value. It might have gotten a 1v1 result, but it’s pretty clear Spider-Man validated what it did then. Unfortunately, it had a very predictable bracket path, but it could have damaged good brackets if placed elsewhere. It’s like that with a lot of games.
Safer777's Analysis[]
So after an okay match and the best match of the contest we had 2 snoozfests. Oh well. This is bound to happen anywas. In both matches the winner was known for sure and nothing could undo it. Okay except huge rallies but yeah.
So for the match. So of course Ultimate won BUT it did worse than expected. Everyone expected at least a doubling but it didn't happen. Ultimate is Top 5 in this contest so it is not that it is not strong or anything. Plus the hype for a Smash game lasts until the next Smash game comes out so yeah. I guess Marvel's Spiderman is stronger than we expected. From what people that have played it say it is actually an amazing Super Hero game. So that is. As I said before in the next Character Contest we need ANY character that has ever appeared in a video game! Spider Man VS Mario! Now that would be fun!
Tsunami's Analysis[]
After the madness of RE2-Bloodborne, Division 3's pair of obvious outcomes were somewhat of a breather. Both of these matches had over 50% prediction rates, and the fact that they were as low as they were was, quite frankly, pure anti-favoritism at work; just six Gurus out of 142 picked wither one of these games to lose, and none picked both. There was a case to be made that Odyssey had once again outperformed Ultimate, but Shovel Knight, mainstream as it may be, is still an indie game, and Spider-Man is, well, easily one of the three most mainstream superheroes out there. Yes, the recent proliferation of superhero movies and TV shows has brought a number of other heroes into the limelight, but let's be honest, Spidey still probably only trails Batman and Superman for recognizability. Also, as a PS4 exclusive, it's a good candidate for antivoting the Nintendo dominance--and at this point, Nintendo still was perceived as absolutely dominating this bracket, even when it was really just a handful of games (these two plus BotW) and the other Nintendo games still in it largely had soft paths thus far. So it's tough to say which game had the better outing.
This was absolutely a good showing by Spider-Man, though. Allow characters originating from other media into CBXI, Allen!