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Round One

Poll6069
Monday, November 9, 2015


Ulti's Analysis[]

Poll 6069
Division Division 3
Match # 19
Match Date Monday, November 9, 2015
Oracle
Expectations
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 50.98%
61 for - 44 against
GameFAQs
Prediction
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 40.39%

I didn't get many upset picks right this contest, but this was an exception! I'm a massive fan of both of these games, so it felt good to be in tune enough with both fanbases to know how this would go.

First, Sonic 2. This game got me to buy a Genesis by itself, and it's a game I'm completely in love with. It'll always be my favorite game in that series, and it's a good reminder of what once was. No series made a worse transition to 3D than Sonic, and no series sabotaged itself harder. But when I play Sonic 2, all is right with the world.

Portal 2, good as it was, just didn't quite have the same magic as the original. Wheatley was funny, but at times he felt like tryhard comedy. Everyone knows the one guy who is only funny when quoting comedy bits or stealing jokes, and when he tries on his own he's a huge tryhard. That's Wheatley. We all know the true star of Portal 2 was Cave Johnson. GLaDOS was typical snarky GLaDOS, and the gameplay was much better than in the original. But if the original game was a 10/10, Portal 2 was a 9.5/10. Still an all-time great, but not quiiiiiite on the level of the original.

Anyway, there were two reasons I picked Sonic 2. One is that the craze has been over for awhile. We'll be saying the same thing about Undertale five years from now; a certain internet buzz has to go into games like this if they want contest strength. Portal 2 doesn't feel like its ever had it.

The other reason was this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5169-character-battle-ix-division-3-round-1-wheatley-vs-crash-vs

People can tout games =/= characters all they want, but it's not true. Sure there are examples like Dante and Kirby where the character is MUCH stronger than the games, but Wheatley being that weak was an indicator that the internet isn't behind Portal 2 like it was the original.

When the match began and things were basically tied, Portal 2 was fucked. It had bracket votes. Then Sonic won the second update and everyone knew what was coming. Portal 2 had just choked a similar match two years ago when Crash pulled his upset, and this match virtually mirrored that one. Wheatley stayed close to Crash for 45 minutes before getting buried. In this match, Portal 2 kept the match tied for 45 minutes, then got buried. Sonic went off to the races, and Sonic doesn't often lose races. A tie match 45 minutes in turned into a very comfortable 2400 vote, 53% win.

It would set up a rather entertaining round 2 match with Uncharted 2, though obviously Undertale would have a massive effect on how that poll would play out. Not that we knew this at this point of round 1!

Ctes's Analysis[]

This was personally my very first pick against the cookie cutter, so nice to see it being correct. Portal 2 was the favorite on b8 and overall. It had the higher seeding too, so it made sense. The first Portal looked really great in GotD while Sonic 2 didn't exactly impress much last time we saw it. It was expected to be somewhat close, but there was good reason for Portal 2 to be the favorite I suppose. The match also meant a lot, because it was expected of the winner to go to round 3. But while Portal 2 was the favorite pre-contest, I don't it was right before the match began. The first Portal looked terrible against Melee and old games had looked really good in general. Sonic 2 didn't exactly win by a lot, but it was a comfortable victory.

So where were the hints you needed to figure out Sonic 2 was the right choice pre-contest? Well again, when it comes to new vs. old, always go with old. Look at the age polls we have somewhat often and compare recent polls to older ones. We're just not having as many new users on the frontpage as we used to. The average user there grew up with games like Sonic 2. That's the main reason, but there's more too. The Portal series spawned a lot of memes, but it has sort of died down, and you shouldn't expect the sequel to be stronger obviously. Wheatley getting embarrassed against Crash in 2013 shows that more than anything. It's a shame that during Year of SNES, we only have a single Genesis game, but I'm happy to that game at least look fine. Although when you consider that Sonic 2 winning became obvious as the contest went rolling, this performance isn't really that great, so people started thinking maybe Uncharted 2 had a shot at round 3, similar to how they thought TLoU maybe had, though that was because of TLoU looking good not KHII looking bad.

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2015 Contest Matches

Round One
CT > R&C:UYA
DQVIII > P3
MMX > Batman:AC
FFX > HL1
Melee > Portal
Pokemon GSC > TWEWY
KHII > MGS4
TLoU > Halo 3
FFVI > ACII
TTYD > ToS
KotOR > Xenogears
Zelda:WW > Pokemon X/Y
Smash Wii U > Planescape
ME > SMG2
Halo > Minecraft
FFVII > Journey
SMB3 > AoE2
Pokemon RBY > Tetris
Sonic 2 > Portal 2
Uncharted 2 > Walking Dead
Fallout 3 > Life is Strange
Undertale > ME3
FFVIII > GTA:VC
SMW > AC:NL
Skyrim > PW:AA
GE007 > Diablo II
Metroid Prime > Morrowind
HL2 > Demon's Souls
Mario 64 > MK8
FFT > RE2
Zelda:TP > SoA
Persona 4 > 999

Zelda:OoT > Hearthstone
Suikoden II > MH4U
Okami > Warcraft III
FFIX > KH1
DKC2 > Xenoblade
FE:A > Mario Maker
BK > Baldur's Gate II
SotN > PW:T&T
Zelda:LttP > Cave Story
FFIV > Deus Ex
MGSV > Perfect Dark
Dark Souls > Civ V
Super Metroid > CoD4
Mario Galaxy > DA:O
FFXII > Bloodborne
Zelda:MM > Valkyria
GTAV > Shenmue
SMRPG > Oblivion
GTA:SA > Shovel Knight
CC > WoW
Witcher 3 > Isaac: Rebirth
MGS2 > RE
Fallout:NV > BioShock Inf
RE4 > Paper Mario
MGS > Splatoon
EB > Borderlands 2
SotC > TF2
RDR > Bayonetta 2
MGS3 > Mother 3
BioShock > SH2
Starcraft > Destiny
ME2 > VLR

Round Two
CT > DQVIII
FFX > MMX
Melee > Pokemon GSC
KHII > TLoU
FFVI > TTYD
Zelda:WW > KotOR
Smash Wii U > ME
FFVII > Halo
Pokemon RBY > SMB3
Sonic 2 > Uncharted 2
Undertale > Fallout 3
SMW > FFVIII
Skyrim > GE007
Metroid Prime > HL2
Mario 64 > FFT
Zelda:TP > Persona 4
Zelda:OoT > Suikoden II
FFIX > Okami
DKC2 > FE:A
SotN > BK
Zelda:LttP > FFIV
Dark Souls > MGSV
Super Metroid > SMG
Zelda:MM > FFXII
SMRPG > GTAV
CC > GTA:SA
MGS2 > Witcher 3
RE4 > Fallout:NV
MGS > EB
SotC > RDR
MGS3 > Bioshock
ME2 > Starcraft

R3 and following
CT > FFX
Melee > KHII
FFVI > Zelda:WW
FFVII > Smash Wii U
Pokemon RBY > Sonic 2
Undertale > SMW
Skyrim > Metroid Prime
Mario 64 > Zelda:TP
Zelda:OoT > FFIX
SotN > DKC2
Zelda:LttP > Dark Souls
Zelda:MM > Super Metroid
SMRPG > CC
RE4 > MGS2
MGS > SotC
MGS3 > ME2
Melee > CT
FFVII > FFVI
Undertale > Pokemon RBY
Mario 64 > Skyrim
Zelda:OoT > SotN
Zelda:LttP > Zelda:MM
SMRPG > RE4
MGS3 > MGS
Melee > FFVII
Undertale > Mario 64
Zelda:OoT > Zelda:LttP
SMRPG > MGS3
Undertale > Melee
Zelda:OoT > SMRPG
Undertale > Zelda:OoT



Melee > SMRPG

Grudge Matches
CT > FFVI
Pokemon RBY > Mario 64


Zelda:OoT > FFVII

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