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Round One


Saturday, September 27th, 2008


Ulti's Analysis[]

Poll 3253
Division 3
Match # 10
Match Date Saturday, September 27th, 2008
Ganondorf - 41.78%
Frog - 24.94%
KOS-MOS - 22.48%
Neku Sakuraba - 10.87%
Ganondorf first place (2pts) - 70.79%
Ganondorf second place (1pt) - 20.39%
Frog second place (2pts) - 34.33%
Frog first place (1pt) - 17.87%
Ganondorf - 91.18% (39,119)
Frog - 52.20% (22,395)

The World Ends With You is dog shit garbage. Have I mentioned that yet? The game is absolute gutter trash. Neku getting his ass whipped in his debut is well deserved, as is his 0-4 record as of this writing. What a terrible character.

Anyway, this match was nothing to write home about. We all knew Ganon was winning, and most people knew Frog was taking second place. There was some debate about KOS-MOS potentially pulling an upset based on Frog struggling with some low tier Kingdom Hearts characters in recent contests, but it didn't take some massive deep dive to see Frog as the favorite here. Other than Diablo and Arthas splitting votes in 2007, KOS-MOS came into this year with two contest wins. One was against Crash Bandicoot all the way back in 2003, and the other was against something named Amy Rose.

Meanwhile, Frog was coming in with wins over Liquid Snake, Master Chief, Riku, Axel, and he had that incredible close loss to Solid Snake in 2004. I know the stats say it was supposed to be close, but KOS-MOS just didn't have the resume Frog had regardless of recent struggles.

When the match started, there was no picture. So the one advantage KOS-MOS actually had wasn't even there, which gave Frog even more of an advantage in the actual match. Nice job running your first contest there, Allen. There was eventually a picture for the match, but what little suspense may have existed was long gone by then. Frog built up a lead that KOS-MOS was never going to catch, and that was that. There wasn't even the typical Chrono Trigger day vote collapse that we'd come to expect, either, largely because trends will dissipate against weak competition. KOS-MOS didn't exactly have the strength to take advantage of Frog's weaknesses, like, say, a Sonic or Kingdom Hearts character would have.

All in all, it added up to another predictable result in a long run of predictable round 1 results. Division 1 was nutty, but as you all can see, things settled down after that as we started getting rid of all the trash. Like Neku Sakuraba. Who starred in a game that was terrible.

Stats and Analysis[]

THIS match actually had some upset potential, and it's one of the few that I was actually on board with. After all, Frog had managed to drop an unprecedented advantage AGAIN to Axel, had to rely on massive cheating just to advance in the next round, and promptly got his toady rump squished by Scorpion. KOS-MOS, for her part, had looked pretty good in the previous contests - a big overperformance on Aeris and a solid finish last year among them. Big-breasted android girl over the talking Frog seemed like a pretty good upset pick (especially for those who were tired of being burned by Kossy <_<).

Still, there were some warning signs. Had it not been for Blizzard splitting between Diablo and Arthas, either one would have likely beaten KOS-MOS last year. And really, who wanted to pick against Frog in a close match AGAIN?

Well, the match started, and everything was going according to perceptions save for one thing - the picture. There was NO picture in the match, and with it the whole of KOSland cried foul. This wasn't fair, stripping KOS-MOS of her biggest asset - both figuratively and literally!

Well, a lot of complaining and "CURSE YOU BACON"s later, the picture went up, and everyone held their breath. And for one update, it looked like the KOS-MOS adherents would be vindicated - she surged Frog to a stall. But after that it was back to business as usual, with the only competitor who even appeared to be performing marginally better being the random piece of fodder in this match. Uh... good pic for him/her/it, I guess. Frog and KOS-MOS seemed to be benefiting equally, with the only character actually hurt being our laughing stock of near-elites Ganondorf.

This match ended up with only a few notable things left from it. Firstly, Ganondorf actually did well for himself relative to match expectations, even with his post-picture drop he was able to wallop these day chumps when the sun rose.

(good thing for him, because that was the last we'd be seeing Ganondorf look anything remotely close to "good" this contest)

Secondly, KOS-MOS's best days were clearly behind her, and even though I was more hoping that she was going to get a picture more along the lines of what she got against Aeris in 2k6 (shameless [1] plug), she'd almost have certainly lost regardless, and she didn't do too shabby in the overall scheme of the match. The interesting thing to see was Frog - the day vote, his bane against Master Chief, Axel, and even Liquid Snake didn't really do much harm to him. KOS-MOS isn't exactly a day champ, but to see her do NOTHING against Frog when the sun rose was very odd. It was the first sign that CT had perhaps slowed, stalled, or even perhaps reversed that downward slide we had seen from it over the past three years.

Match Trends[]


Ngamer's Same Day Analysis[]

Match Prediction[]

For tonight we've got one heavy hitter, almost-fodders, and one mid-ranger fodder (most likely). There's plenty to be excited about here IMO, so let's hop right to it!

When we last saw our heroes...

Last Known Values:

  • Ganon - 31.88% (2007)
  • Frog - 20.25% (2007)
  • KOS-MOS - 19.28% (2007)
  • Neku - new

To start, Ganon's head and heels above the competition and shouldn't be challenged here. Even so, how he does could be another of those pretty good barometers for where Nintendo stands currently, much like Samus provided today. It won't be quite as pure since I think Frog works at least somewhat like a Nintendo character himself, but is still something to watch out for. Neku should also be worth keeping an eye on- we've already seen one TWEWY character in action, but he got about the worst draw this side of Geno in having to contend with a Kingdom Hearts character all day long, so I wouldn't put much faith in his final value; today should give us a much more accurate estimate of whether or not TWEWY is worth anything in these Contests.

But of course the real heart of the meat is Frog/KOS. As I see it, Frog has two things working for him and two working against him. The two against him are that Neku is a fellow Square RPG character (this probably won't matter too much in the long run through- they're separated by so many years and console generations that I can't see there being a huge overlap like there apparently was with KH) and, much more importantly, he always seems to play down to the level of his competition. As much as we love to glorify Frog and blast his Theme as he pulls out close matches, I think we tend to forget that those matches were only close due to him choking relative to expectations. Axel, Master Chief, Liquid Snake... well alright, so he did rise to a challenge once against Snake, but between Solid *^&$ and rally power and whatever other crazy stuff was going on at the time, I don't know how much stock we should put in it. So, its entirely possible that he allows KM to hang in this match much longer than he ought to.

The two points in Frog's favor here, however, easily outweigh those two negatives in my estimation. The first is that if you're going to beat Frog, you need to have a very strong Day Vote and/or ASV. KOS-MOS is unfortunately lined up perfectly the opposite in her trends- she's good at the start of matches and through the overnight, but wilts when the sun rises and doesn't do any ASV damage. With Chrono Trigger being such a powerhouse in the first three hours, I'm having trouble seeing her be able to take the lead at any point during this poll. And the second point is of course that Frog doesn't lose close matches. If you want to come away with the win you better have built up a 500 vote lead by the final half hour, because otherwise this Board will do everything in their power to keep the comeback tradition alive.

Oh, and I guess there's two other points worth noting as well. In Frog's favor: Chrono Trigger DS. Maybe it hasn't had any kind of impact yet, but even so, it could only mean good things for him as the release date approaches. And in KM's favor: she's going to look really good in this match pic (at least if SB uses the picture Zen submitted for her, and he'd be crazy not to!).

So although I think Frog should be able to survive and advance in this one, I don't exactly see him doing so in style. With that in mind, the numbers in the pot, and after a bit of stirring, we find...

  • Ganondorf - 43.89%
  • Frog - 21.82%
  • KOS-MOS - 20.72%
  • Neku Sakuraba - 13.55%

I love it!

Ngamer Says: Ganon > Frog

Next Day Review[]

Can't help but be impressed with Frog today. CT another year older, Ganon having SNES appeal, Neku having Square RPG appeal, KOS looking smokin' in the picture, and yet he was never in danger of losing and *gasp* didn't even lay a total egg with the ASV! Has CT:DS made the game somewhat relevant again, or was this just Xenosaga having run out of gas? Hopefully the upcoming Magus match will help clear the picture.

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2008 Contest Matches

Round One
Zack > Wario
Link > Zidane
Marth > Duke
Altair > Lucario
Luigi > Liquid
Bowser > Phoenix
Mario > Zelda
X > Mudkip
Samus > Nightmare
Ganondorf > Frog
Vincent > Falco
Scorpion > Gordon
Crono > Amaterasu
L-Block > Ryu
Alucard > Falcon

Pikachu > Arthas
Cube > Tidus
Mega Man > Nero
Ryu H > Zero
Snake > Vivi
Sora > Fox
Squall > Yoshi
Cloud > Midna
Mewtwo > Pac-Man
Big Boss > Kirby
Master Chief > Raiden
Leon > Riku
Dante > Hogger
Sonic > Sandbag
Auron > Sub-Zero
Sephiroth > Tifa
Kratos > Jill

Round Two
Link > Zack
Duke > Altair
Liquid > Luigi
Mario > X
Samus > Ganondorf
Vincent > Gordon
Crono > L-Block
Pikachu > Alucard
Mega Man > Cube
Snake > Zero
Squall > Sora
Cloud > Mewtwo
Kirby > Master Chief
Dante > Leon
Auron > Sonic
Sephiroth > Kratos

R3 and following
Link > Zack
Mario > X
Samus > Vincent
Crono > Pikachu
Snake > Cube
Cloud > Mewtwo
Kirby > Dante
Sephiroth > Sonic
Link > Mario
Samus > Crono
Cloud > Snake
Sephiroth > Kirby
Link > Crono
Snake > Cloud
Link > Snake (Finals)
Classic > CD-I (Bonus)