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Round Two


Thursday, October 30th, 2008

Ulti's Analysis[]

Poll 3286
Round Division 6 Semi Final
Match # 43
Match Date Thursday, October 30th, 2008
Squall Leonhart - 33.70%
Yoshi - 26.65%
Sora - 23.41%
Fox McCloud - 16.17%
Squall first place (4pts) - 21.60%
Squall second place (2pts) - 31.57%
Sora second place (4pts) - 14.71%
Sora first place (2pts) - 28.91%
Squall - 53.17% (22,812)
Sora - 43.62% (18,714)

A few matches ago, I mentioned how Auron vs Sub-Zero is one of our most pointless contest rivalries. They've faced each other four times somehow, and Auron is 4-0.

The opposite of that is Squall vs Sora, who have faced each other five times over the years, and while Squall is 5-0, he has never blown Sora out. He has never SFFd him. He has never screwed him over and he has never leeched support enough to screw him out of some win that Sora would have otherwise had. It never even matters who else is in the poll. These are always inexplicably, bizarrely, and unbelievably close, but Squall always wins the duel. I don't know how Squall never SFFs the guy, but that's what always happens. Sora loses close every single time, outside of the Rivalry Rumble debacle where it looked for a minute Sora might actually pull it off. I have no explanation for why Squall doesn't SFF the guy but Cloud was apparently able to. I don't know. Your best guess is mine. Maybe Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy don't have overlapping fanbases anymore, which would make sense given Final Fantasy in no way matters in those games at this point.

This is all important to bring up because it halfway explains what happened in this match. Sora being close to Squall is no real surprise, because we saw them do this twice in 2007. If '08 was the first time we saw these two in polls together, this would have been much more of a stunner. What is a stunner however, even by 2020 standards, is whatever the hell happened to Nintendo in this match. Nintendo rarely just gives up and dies, but this match? They quit. Yoshi not advancing here wasn't a huge surprise at the time, because you can look at round 1 and see it coming. That wasn't the surprise. It's that Yoshi got completely and thoroughly destroyed here. Once bracket votes wore off, Sora beat the tar out of Yoshi by 7500 votes in a match that wasn't even that close.

Yoshi was harmed by the presence of Fox. Sora was not hurt by the presence of Squall. That's the quick version of what happened. If someone has a definitive answer for why Sora and Squall are so independent, I'm all ears. Is it Kingdom Hearts being on some Nintendo consoles? Is it Final Fantasy not being in the series anymore? I don't know.

This set up a fun match with Sora, Squall, and Cloud, and depending on who would squeeze into second place in the next match, it was practically a bye into the divisional finals.

Oh and just for fun, since this was 1v1 Square vs Nintendo.

Square - 74965 [58.78%]
Nintendo - 52569 [41.22%]
Total Votes - 127534

Savor these matches where Nintendo gets annihilated by Square, because they don't happen often. They seem to happen at a higher clip when Squall is involved, though. Hmm.

Oh and the match picture was a huge point of discussion here, no, Smilin' Squall didn't decide this match. All four of them are smiling in this match picture. Outside of a joke 5 people on Board 8 understand, it meant nothing for the match.

Stats and Analysis[]

Another match, another round of the Oracle goombas blindly trying to cling to their brackets. We know the story by now. Yoshi had just gone and put up one of the biggest bombs we've ever seen in these contests, letting Squall go out and tear him apart like he was the incarnation of Solid Snake himself. Not only that, but Sora had just put up a decisive win over Fox McCloud - perhaps with Chris too close for comfort, but we had seen Squall and Sora go two rounds with each other last year. Sora put up 39% against Squall in his worst showing, Yoshi had gotten 43% last round. How in the HELL was Yoshi supposed to beat the kid with Fox breathing down his neck?

The answer - one of the bigger beatdowns we've ever seen in these things. Yoshi got KILLED here. He ended up much closer to Fox McCloud, a character who gets the majority of his strength from SSB, than he did in even sniffing Sora. In fact, the match ended up being less Sora/Yoshi as it did Sora/Squall.

Whether you want to put it on Kingdom Hearts being more established or Squall's wacky pic where he's grinning like an idiot (I'd go with the latter, Squall killed Yoshi by more than Sora did Fox in the previous round), Sora was keeping pretty close with Squall, and despite being down by an insurmountable margin pretty much just walloped him during the day. The end margin between the two was less than 3000 votes, and considering that Sora had just gone out last year with a piddling 39% on the guy that's something you've really got to hand to him.

And more importantly, now with Yoshi out of the picture Mewtwo of all characters had seemingly received a free pass to the quarterfinals. There was some rambling on if Sora could avoid some Cloud SFF and make it a match - Squall was definitely going to get pasted - but it was pretty muted. Mewtwo had just been too impressive last round.

Match Trends[]


Ngamer's Same Day Analysis[]

Match Prediction[]

There's another potentially awesome match on the way for tonight!

X-Stats from Round One

  • Squall - 29.40% (based on '07 CATS)
  • Yoshi - 24.78% (based on '07 CATS)
  • Sora - 20.00% (based on '07 Chris)
  • Fox - 17.50% (based on '07 Chris)

Have to kind of hurry with this one as those last innings of the World Series (congrats Phils!) have put me a bit behind. Pre-Contest this was considered a pretty easy advancement for Squall and Yoshi, with the only question being what order they would go in. But after the way both Square guys dropped bombs on their Nintendo counterparts, all of a sudden Sora sneaking through here looks like at least a possibility, while it would take something truly crazy for Yoshi to pull the upset and finish first. A moment ago I was planning to predict Squall for a pretty easy win, Yoshi to advance but not with much room to spare ahead of Sora, and Fox to get SFF-pounded well out of contention. But now let's look at this pic...

Good heavens, what happened to you Squall!? For all the grief Tidus has taken over the years for looking like Meg Ryan, that's a MUCH worse look than anything the FFX lead has ever sported. Seriously, wow. Sora looks pretty goofy too, but he's at least saved by showing an anime look that seems to do pretty well with this GameFAQs crowd. Yoshi's pretty meh; not a bad picture for him but pretty generic. And Fox once again looks great! Of course I said the same last round and that didn't stop him getting beaten bloody... but yeah, I'd be very shocked if Yoshi was able to hurt him too badly with SFF when he comes out looking that good.

Soooo let's take those thoughts and throw something together quickly. Into the pot and stirred and what have we here...

  • Squall Leonhart - 31.76%
  • Yoshi - 25.17%
  • Sora - 23.06%
  • Fox McCloud - 20.01%

That looks... really bad! But I have no time to correct it! Come on Fox, prove me right.

Ngamer Says: Squall > Yoshi

Next Day Review[]

Oh wow... even with it busting up both my bracket and my Oracle, and with Sora being quite possibly my most hated Contest character, I can't help but laugh at this result. What the junk happened here? Well the way I see it, that picture happened. Everyone was calling for Leonheart's head the minute "Smilin' Squall" hit the presses, and as it turns out with good reason, but what we didn't stop to think was that this was actually the best possible situation for Square overall. Clearly this ridiculous look was a major turnoff to former Squall voters, but the trouble is, nearly all those "on the fence" voters ended up going with Sora! Yoshi finishing much closer to Squall doesn't do him a lick of good when all of the votes the #1 guy loses are going to the other option that he's ACTUALLY trying to compete against. Which meant Yoshi's only hope was to obliterate Fox, and... *looks at pic* nope, that wasn't going to be happening! The poor green guy was caught between a rock and a hard place in this one, and was never really going to have a chance given the circumstances. On the plus side, what an excellent validation for Fox fans this ended up being.

(BTW, I'm still taking Yoshi > Sora in next year's 1v1, so there.)

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2008 Contest Matches

Round One
Zack > Wario
Link > Zidane
Marth > Duke
Altair > Lucario
Luigi > Liquid
Bowser > Phoenix
Mario > Zelda
X > Mudkip
Samus > Nightmare
Ganondorf > Frog
Vincent > Falco
Scorpion > Gordon
Crono > Amaterasu
L-Block > Ryu
Alucard > Falcon

Pikachu > Arthas
Cube > Tidus
Mega Man > Nero
Ryu H > Zero
Snake > Vivi
Sora > Fox
Squall > Yoshi
Cloud > Midna
Mewtwo > Pac-Man
Big Boss > Kirby
Master Chief > Raiden
Leon > Riku
Dante > Hogger
Sonic > Sandbag
Auron > Sub-Zero
Sephiroth > Tifa
Kratos > Jill

Round Two
Link > Zack
Duke > Altair
Liquid > Luigi
Mario > X
Samus > Ganondorf
Vincent > Gordon
Crono > L-Block
Pikachu > Alucard
Mega Man > Cube
Snake > Zero
Squall > Sora
Cloud > Mewtwo
Kirby > Master Chief
Dante > Leon
Auron > Sonic
Sephiroth > Kratos

R3 and following
Link > Zack
Mario > X
Samus > Vincent
Crono > Pikachu
Snake > Cube
Cloud > Mewtwo
Kirby > Dante
Sephiroth > Sonic
Link > Mario
Samus > Crono
Cloud > Snake
Sephiroth > Kirby
Link > Crono
Snake > Cloud
Link > Snake (Finals)
Classic > CD-I (Bonus)